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Alternative Lives R Available's avatar

Good post, Richard, as always. Thank you.

You seem to be heading for the idea of seeding the atmosphere with SOx (or equivalent technologies) to increase albedo and reduce temperatures. I suspect such a project is high on the Tech Bros list in America, not least to justify their continuing the use of fossil fuels. I am scared of the unknown consequences of such actions on the World's weather, but also recognise that if environmental catastrophe is inevitable, there will come a point when desperate measures will be tried.

On that basis, some years ago I devised a way of getting warm wet air into the atmosphere in large quantities and very cheaply (i used to invent things, with some success). At the time it was a project to create additional rainfall on African coastlines so that a coastal belt of trees could thrive long enough that they would, in turn, increase rainfall in the interior of the coastal countries (As happened in Les Landes in France in the 1800's).

But I am still confused whether putting additional humidity into the atmosphere would act as a CO2 equivalent and raise temperatures, or increase albedo and reduce them. Your thoughts?

All that said, and as you already know, my feelings are that recent methane clathrate escapes in the Arctic and Antarctic are the signal the tipping point for massive methane clathrate releases because of warmer oceans has now been reached. I have realised that all the methane trapped undersea in sediments is in an uniquely delicate situation; it is held in place by water pressure and cold sea temperature that have been relatively constant for hundreds or thousand of years, and any variations have been tiny. In any location that didn't have sufficient pressure or cold enough water, the methane would already have been released. Whilst water pressure is still constant, the sea temperatures are rising, and rising faster in the Arctic and Antarctic. So ALL methane clathrates are on a hairline trigger, and the first indication of that will be with the increasing warmth in the polar seas. Like now, with recent announcements of major methane releases at sea in the Arctic and Antarctic.

So whilst I used to think that any future methane releases would track like CO2 releases, gradually over time, that is actually completely wrong. Once the seas increase in temperature by a small amount, that will trigger massive methane releases all across the globe, with immediate climate heating and more releases. A runaway feedback.

I suspect we will find out very soon.

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Mike Meyer's avatar

We have a lot of correlational data because the causal process is at the edge of understanding. This suggests to me that we are still struggling to catch up in understanding what we have caused. It appears that tracking over the last twenty years has been consistently underestimating the composite temperature increase. Hansen is closest to reality with emerging hard data. But each year forces to wait, with bated breath, for the worse expectation to become reality.

If we see 2 degrees C in 2027-28 with our current political collapse, I cannot imagine the level of social insanity we will face. We have no historical records equivalent to this.

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