Let's discuss it.
Warning, it's not “good news”. I think we fucked up so badly that quiet literally a “Dark Age” is coming. This is a rough “first pass” of how some new papers are coming together for me. This is MY OPINION, not “science”.
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.
So, a few weeks ago I wrote a paper breaking down the paper this chart is from.
Short Takes: The evidence accumulates that the “Climate Sensitivity” estimate in our models is BADLY off.
One of the things that stuck in my head was the finding that there was an apparent pattern of +8°C temperature increase for each doubling of atmospheric CO2 (2XCO2).
A 485-million-year history of Earth’s surface temperature.
Science, 20 Sep 2024, Vol 385, Issue 6715, DOI: 10.1126/science.adk3705
Judd et al. present a record of GMST over the past 485 million years that they constructed by combining proxy data with climate modeling (see the Perspective by Mills). They found that GMST varied over a range from 11° to 36°C, with an “apparent” climate sensitivity of ∼8°C, about two to three times what it is today.
The GMST-CO2 relationship indicates a notably constant “apparent” Earth system sensitivity (i.e., the temperature response to a doubling of CO2, including fast and slow feedbacks) of ∼8°C, with no detectable dependence on whether the climate is warm or cold.
Which is OMG off the charts BAD.
Now, here's the thing. My first thought was of thinking about this in terms of 280ppm DOUBLING to 560ppm. Thinking about how this was +2°C above the +6°C predicted since Arrhenius in 1898. An estimate he reached solely based on “the physics”.
There is evidence to support the position that 2XCO2 means +8°C instead of the +5°C to +6°C the Alarmist models have forecast since the 70's.
Cenozoic evolution of deep ocean temperature from clumped isotope thermometry :
Science/30 Jun 2022/Vol 377, Issue 6601 pp. 86–90/DOI: 10.1126/science.abk0604
Strongly suggests that the Moderate estimates for “Climate Sensitivity” are about 100% too LOW and that +2°C should be added to temperature estimates in past papers.
So. You can see HOW I could get to thinking 2XCO2 could cause up to +8°C of warming at 560ppm CO2e.
But then, an alternative narrative occurred to me. A less “anthropocentric” narrative.
Look at where the ZERO line is set. Not at the lowest level of CO2, that would be 180ppm. We set “zero” on our temperature gauge at a level of 280ppm atmospheric CO2.
How very anthropocentric of us.
In this chart from a paper published on October 8th you see the same thing in “mainstream” Climate Science. “Zero” on the temperature scale is viewed as being around 280ppm on the CO2 scale.
We do this because we set “zero” as the temperature in 1850. When the atmospheric CO2 level was about 280ppm. That’s all that represents.
What if we set ZERO as 180ppm?
The lowest the CO2 level has fallen in about 360 million years. The level that it has been bouncing around at for roughly the last million years.
We can say with a HIGH degree of certainty that 180ppm seems to be a “hard floor” for the atmospheric CO2 level. So, why not make it our “zero” for calibrating our CO2ppm to +°C scale.
In that case.
The “first” 2XCO2 is 180ppm to 360ppm. That would be +8°C from the first 2XCO2.
In 1979, at CO2 levels of 330ppm. Based on what we could see, the Global Mean Temperature (GMT) would increase to about +0.6°C at 350ppm. The Moderate faction estimate of 2XCO2 is based on this observation.
As I have discussed, in the paper “Climate effects of aerosols reduce economic inequality. Nature Climate Change, 2020; DOI: 10.1038/s41558–020–0699-y” the authors find that:
Estimates indicate that aerosol pollution emitted by humans is offsetting about 0.7 degrees Celsius, or about 1.3 degrees Fahrenheit, of the warming due to greenhouse gas emissions,” said lead author Zheng. “This translates to a 40-year delay in the effects of climate change.”
“Without cooling caused by aerosol emissions, we would have achieved 2010-level global mean temperatures in 1970.”
Which, if this is at all correct. Could have meant that +0.7°C of warming was being “masked” by aerosol sulfate particulates. The result of burning high sulfur fossil fuels.
In which case the actual temperature in the 70’s would have been about +1.3°C at 330ppm and +2°C at 360ppm doesn't seem implausible at all. Particularly given the fights we have had in calibrating our “zero” point on the CO2ppm to +°C scale.
Particularly when the paleoclimate findings indicate.
That +400ppm indicates +4°C of warming from from the 280ppm/ 0°C baseline we currently use.
If we set “zero” at 180ppm things look a little different.
The RED line is 720ppm. The next “doubling” 2XCO2 that the researchers found to consistently cause +8°C of warming.
We show about +8°C at roughly 720ppm. This would indicate that 720ppmCO2 will be about +10°C over our 1850 baseline. Or about +16°C over the 180ppmCO2 baseline.
In this view of the Climate System we have transitioned from the “first 2XCO2 cycle” into the “second 2XCO2 cycle”. The transition point was hitting 360ppmCO2 around 1995.
Since then, we have been in the 360ppmCO2 to 720ppm CO2 2XCO2 cycle. In this cycle we could naturally expect “up to” +8°C of warming if the paleoclimate record is an accurate indicator.
From our viewpoint that means +10°C at 720ppm. About +2°C higher than the paleoclimate data indicates in this graph. BUT, that +2°C increase is in line with the “Cenozoic evolution of deep ocean temperature” paper which indicates our temperature calibration is -2°C too low.
I think the evolving science is pointing towards 720ppmCO2 being +10°C from our 1850 baseline.
That would make the next 2XCO2 cycle be 720ppmCO2 to 1440ppmCO2.
This would increase the GMT another +8°C to +24°C over the 180ppm zero baseline. Or, +18°C over our 1850 280ppmCO2 baseline.
At a MUCH lower level of CO2 than we thought when this graph was made about 5 years ago. But about in line with what this new study found with their larger dataset and better calibration.
However, if our CO2 estimates were calibrated with this pattern in mind. then a fourth doubling 2XCO2 from 1440ppm to 2880ppm would produce +32°C of warming. Which would sync up very well with the temperatures reported in this recent paper.
This also syncs up well with what we know about how the Latitudinal Equator to Pole Temperature Gradient changes as the GMT increases.
It indicates that, after the GMT increases past +11°C a new equilibrium is reached where the Equator and Pole increase in lockstep on a 1 for 1 basis. So, a temperature increase of +32°C at the Equator would result in +32°C at the poles.
Which is HOW alligators and palm trees could live around and “ice free” Arctic Ocean 55mya.
CO2(e) levels got to around 2800ppm and temperatures got about +32°C hotter than the 180ppm baseline. From our perspective that would be a +26°C overall increase from 1850 with a +32°C increase at the poles.
The new narrative simplifies our understanding of the Climate System and brings an overall order to all the lines of evidence.
In this understanding of the Climate System we “pushed” the system out of the “First 2XCO2 State” by pushing CO2 levels up above 360ppm. At that point we had raised the Global Mean Temperature about +2°C.
At that temperature there is NO permafrost. Something we didn’t know in the 1970’s. So, in effect we began the “Second 2XCO2 State” by melting the permafrost for the first time in 750,000 years.
The Second 2XCO2 doubling is from 360ppm to 720ppm and will increase temperatures +8°C to about +10°C over our 1850 baseline. That indicates warming of about +5°C to +6°C over our 1850 baseline at 540ppm.
What’s worse, is that there is 750,000 years or organic debris built up in the permafrost zones in the Northern Hemisphere.
There is enough carbon and methane in the permafrost and Boreal Forests to push the CO2 level up into the 1300ppm range. That would boost us out of the Second 2XCO2 Doubling (360ppm to 720ppm) and into the Third 2XCO2 Doubling (720ppm to 1440ppm). Increasing the GMT about +22°C over the 180ppm baseline or about +16°C over our 1850 baseline.
Which is “in line” with Hansen’s conclusions in his “Global Warming in the Pipeline” paper. Although the “peak warming” number is a little higher than Hansen is forecasting.
BOTTOM LINE.
By looking at the Climate System from this perspective it becomes clear that we pushed past a major tipping point in 1995 when we crossed 360ppm. This pushed us out of the First 2XCO2 Doubling and into the Second 2XCO2.
In this Doubling there is no permafrost. Heat “builds up” rapidly at the poles and melts it away. When this happens the Boreal Forests quickly burn away and release at least 200ppm worth of CO2. This accelerates the melting of the permafrost and its release of CO2 and CH4.
The CO2 level RAPIDLY climbs from the 423ppm of today to 720ppm in less than 100 years. Global temperatures soar +10°C and continue to increase as CO2 levels increase from the decay of the permafrost.
The rate of increase slows down as the release of carbon slows down. Ultimately CO2 levels peak at around 1300ppmCO2. High, but not enough to push us into the next 2XCO2 Doubling state. Temperatures peak at around +16°C over our 1850 baseline and then slowly begin to cool down.
That’s what things are looking like to me.
We REALLY fucked up.
This is my analysis.
This is what I see.
This is my “Crisis Report”.
rc 101824
Personal Notes:
Hey, tell me I’m wrong. I’m basically agreeing with Hansen's analysis in his “Pipeline” paper. This is what he thinks is happening. I just think it could happen “faster than expected” and be a little worse. Hansen tends conservative after decades of attacks and having to defend his position constantly.
But, when I look at the converging lines of evidence in the field this is the pattern I see. This is the outline of what our “Second Generation Climate Paradigm” is going to look like.
It’s tragic, that we have almost certainly destroyed ourselves finding that out.
Dear Richard, my cyberian friend, take a breath. You are catastophizing way, way beyond any scenario where life in any form still exists. We currently have 1 trillion tons of CO2 in our atmosphere and we're adding another 40 gigatons (billion tons) every year. But, IMHO, the real issue is not CO2 but global heat production, of which CO2 is a contributor but the heat released by the burning fossil fuels is the real problem, as is evident in the 1.2 trillion tons of melting global ice annually, 3.3 billion tons DAILY. A woman in a recent presentation on my book, "Stress R Us", corrected me on the amount of heat energy absorbed by one pound of melting ice: 144 BTUs. So, all that melting ice is absorbing a helluva lot of heat energy, the combination of human generated excess heat from fossil fuel burning and the solar radiation trapped by the GHGs. A total number polymath Eliot Jacobson calculates to be the equivalent of 20-30 Hiroshima nuclear bomb blasts PER SECOND, where each one releases 63 trillion BTUs.
So, the burning of fossil fuels is a two edged sword: waste heat production and heat energy trapping GHG production. As for the permafrost, 6mm is melting annually throughout the 22% of the land surface of the northern hemisphere, as it absorbs another 144 BTUs per pound of melting ice. So, our planet (who ever said it was "ours"?) is screaming out that we are generating and trapping way, way too much heat energy and, as Jeff Goodell says in his book by that name: "The Heat Will Kill You First". According to C3S, the global ave. temp is currently increasing at a rate of 0.2 degC annually, so 1 degC EVERY 5 YRS.!
Don't waste your time catastrphizing about paleoclimate reemergences when we're already on fire, getting blown away by megastorms, drowning in the 10-14 trillion tons of water vapor we're pouring into the atmosphere, and (my interest and the theme of my book) dying in ever greater numbers from population density stress. We're rapidly heading toward the extinction of all life on "our" planet, so who cares about a million years hence? I'm 79, so I sure as hell don't give a care about the dismal far off future prospects of humans or any other lifeforms left after we finish decimating the planet from massive human overpopulation/overconsumption.
Excellent conjecture. Very well done. You;ve made the huge step.
Back in the mid 90s I reasoned in a similar way. My starting point then as with yours was the climate response in the 105k year Milankovitch cycle. The precise values aren't tremendously important.
I used 278 vppm as the preindustrial baseline and roughly the top of the 105k year ice age cycle.That then leads to a 13-15 C change in the Vostok or EPICA core data, less for the global mean. That also corresponds to a ~100 W.m^2 shift.
The keys to the temperature response then include:
1) The full response climate sensitivity is about 15 C at a ratio of 278/178 ppm/ppm CO2. That then corresponds to a ~ 9.6 C change per doubling of warming gases (as CO2), henve CO2(e).
2) The Earth system in longer scales has upper snd lower bounds where the CO2 changes cease to be controlling. I don't know the logic for those. But I accept based on paleoclimatology that that is true. And if true it suggests a maximum hot house condition st +11 C for global mean. Your suggestion for the limits at the pole might explain the mechanics of it.
3) Previous studies of the polar regions identified those periods as an "equable" climate. Think - flatter temperature profile from equator to pole.
3) Other changes happen as well which take us far outside the quasi-stable oscillation of the current ice buffered system, into a very different system. So extrapolations based on the simple rules will break down.
The changes at the end are stable. However, the transition isn't.
In the extreme of the hot house earth case, atmospheric pressure is something like twice todays'. Oxygen levels reach 35% O2 which is so high that forests will burn in dousing rain storms. Giant six foot insects lacking circulatory systems become possible.
But the transition to those conditions may result in far lower air pressures and lower oxygen content with high hydrogen sulfide levels - toxic levels.Under those conditions, small animals can survive, while large animals can't, other than a handful adapted to very high altitude conditions.
Most large animal life simple goes to sleep to become food for those that survive, followed by very rapid change.
The survivors become the basis for the environmental speciation explosion that fills all of the vacant evolutionary niches over the next million years, and then go on a further binge of change. Most species don't make it through that bottleneck of changing conditions.
For humans, a small percentage of people from four regions have high altitude adaptations that might allow them to persist in small numbers to form the basis of the next jump in the homo line into whatever comes next. Or - not.
Greenland and Antarctica still provide immense buffers to slow the transition.
Etc...
One of the difficulties is in getting people (researchers) to think beyond the models based upon current conditions, and to do as you did in looking to the past in order to see the future. It is only once you do that that it is even possible to ask the most vital questions and to think the critically important thoughts.
Such as: Given all of the implications of this, and knowing how hard we have pushed the earth, combined with how intransigent and limited humans are in there willingness to even consider the consequences of their actions beyond the very immediate near term (months), what then do we do with this understanding?
What possibilities does it allow?
Which responses might help?, snd which won't?
What more do we most urgently need to know?, to watch for?, to avoid? ....