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Dirk Dunning's avatar

Richard,

First and foremost: Thank you for such a very cogent and critically important posting detailing the issues from "the moderates" own writings.

However, it is oh so much worse than this. Consider several points.

1) We are not at 420 ppm, or 422 CO2, or 424 ppm CO2. The meaningful comparison is warming NOT CO2 when comparing to ancient ice cores and other records. CO2(e) is the relevant comparator. Today we are at about 556 ppm CO2(e). The last time we were there is between 21 and 34 Mya with a most likely time of about 31-32 Mya.

2) At 555 ppm CO2(e) we have already blown past any of the trajectories. We are at doubled "CO2".

3) The IPCC is a politically and financially governed body. Everything they say is vetted through politicians from all of the major countries of the world, and limited by all of the major financial players in what they are allowed to say. That is NOT science, nor the opinion of scientists. That is the opinion they are allowed to share after begging mother may I.

4) The IPCC is NOT allowed to incorporate any science newer than a decade old, meaning data from not sooner than a dozen years ago. Talk about driving with the windshield blacked out and relying on our rearview mirrors to tell us where to go.

5) The denialists will come to bloody violence before they accept anything that contradicts what they want, or what the politicians bought and owned by the oligarchs and industrialists will allow them to say. With something like 40% of people in that camp, heavily armed, and firmly denying basic reality, there is no realistic possibility that we can do anything significant to change our course, until the rate of destruction of the environment is so great that they are immediately and repeatedly devastated themselves. And even that is likely not enough.

6) Lastly, why would I or any sane person consider anything Mann has to say?

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𝓙𝓪𝓼𝓶𝓲𝓷𝓮 𝓦𝓸𝓵𝓯𝓮's avatar

Of course it's worse than they're telling us. Just ask people in Chimney Rock and Asheville, NC. Both cities are gone😞 Florida is decimated and it will only get worse from here.

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